New System Advice

I’m based in Australia…


Hoping to get some advise as to how many and what CT’s to buy. Was looking at 2x50A ones to go to the RCD’s (not sure if this will work), and 50s for solar, oven and A/C. and 1x100 for the main switch.
the 10mm opening on the 50A has me concerned, as that seems very narrow?

Current situation is:

RCD A (40A): 1x Lights (10A), 2x Power (16A each)
1 x Solar Supply (25A)
1x Oven (16A)
RCD B (40A) : 2x Power (16A each)
1x A/C (32A)
Main Switch (63A)

I’d like to monitor Solar (already getting this data off Fronius wifi but may as well get another source), A/C and pretty much everything else can go into one bucket. Can they be hooked up off the RCD’s?

I have a double outdoor power point just outside of the meter box that currently powers my retic. I am hoping to use this to power my iotawatt. I’m hoping a sparky can put a hole on the side of the meterbox (Bottom has a gas meter so not an option), with some ducting and glands etc. to a separate enclosure that will house my iotawatt. The CT’s will be run via the duct into the meterbox.

So i’m hoping to find an enclosure big enough to encase the outdoor powerpoint and AC adapter, as i’m guessing I can’t just plug the AC adapter into the powerpoint and expose it to the elements? or is this a non issue?

Would be good to see other people’s set ups so that I can make sure I have all the products ready for the sparky to do the install.

Probably a dumb question, but what’s a RCD?

Residual current device, detects earth leaks and trips to reduce accidental shocks and faults etc. It is a requirement in aus that circuits be protected by rcds.

Typically they are wired like the below.

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Learn something new every day. In the USA we call it a GFI (Ground Fault Interrupter) or one of several variations on that theme.

You have a single-phase system, so it is not necessary to measure the neutral. In fact, the RCD pretty much guarantees that the neutral will be exactly the same as the L conductor.

So 1x100A for the main as you say plus

  • 1x50A for the AC
  • 1x50A for the oven
  • 1x50A for the solar

That leaves six circuits. You can setup an output to compute the total of those circuits as “one bucket”.

If you put one CT on each RCD, you can get the total of the remaining circuits on each RCD as well as the HWS.

If you add six CTs to each of the remaining circuits, you get the usage of each circuit.

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Perfect, so just to clarify, it can be configured to show

Mains minus AC minus Oven plus solar as the other bucket?

With regards to the solar, we use the power that we create, but then also sell back excess to the grid. How can I monitor how much I’ve used vs sold back? Will that just be an instantaneous calc for power created minus usage?

Yes

Depends on the tariff. If you have true net metering, then the answer is yes. If you meter import and export separately with different rates for each, then you would need to upload the data to PVoutput, influxDB or Emoncms to integrate the import and export numbers. PVoutput allows setting tariff parameters to get $$.

By example, here is a link to daily PVoutput data with import and export graphically and in the table below.

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Tariff’s are different for feed in and out

costs us ~37c per unit to buy from the grid, whilst we only get ~7c for what we sell back. Which is why it’s quite important to see if we are producing excess or not, to decide when we use our high power equipment such as Washing, Dishwasher etc.

Already using PVOutput for the solar generation, but will investigate influxDB to better integrate with Home Assistant.

Thanks again for your help :slight_smile: Placing an order shortly.

Hey Hobo, I’m in Aus as well.
I also have single phase with solar and use the little 50amp solid core CT’s on all my monitored circuits.
For the main active (from the meter to the mains switch) I use a 100amp split core.

I chose the 50amp solid CT’s (3) for their compact size and sturdiness ( no hinge or clip to break ) and I figured they would be more accurate as they would be operating within their midpoint. All my sub circuits (power) are 20 amp, so the 50A Ct could handle a “double” circuit if needed. The only issue with these is the need to physically put the cable thru the CT. (disconnect/reconnect wire from breaker, so might need a sparky)

I chose the 100amp split CT(1) because I have a 80amp supply and it is easy to fit over the main incomer.

I initially started with monitoring the “mains(incomer)” , “solar” , "power’ and “lights”

I discovered that I would like to monitor more closely, so I purchased another 10 of the 50amp solid CT’s. which I will install with my meter box upgrade.

The only real “quirk” I discovered was with the 9volt reference. As it is AC, it needs to be wired “in-phase” with what the CT’s are reading. No biggy, you might just need to change the “polarity” of the VT so that everything makes sense.

Besides that, easy to install and setup. An excellent piece of kit.

Good luck with your install !

Thanks for the message. I placed an order yesterday, went with the 1x100A CT for the mains, and then 50A CT’s for the A/C, Oven, Solar and ordered two spares. The HWS shown has been decomissioned so should be consuming 0. I probably should switch it off, though the powerpoint feeding the HWS is still in-situ.

Would be good to have a forum section for install pics!

Take a look at the “Case Studies” section as this has a good mix of people’s install pics, etc. May be what you are looking for. I find it fascinating how there are so many different type of power installs around the world. Enjoy looking at the many different panels and connections.

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